Legislature(2007 - 2008)SENATE FINANCE 532

02/27/2008 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE


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                  SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                      
                     February 27, 2008                                                                                          
                         9:19 a.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman called the Senate  Finance Committee meeting                                                                   
to order at 9:19:17 AM.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyman Hoffman, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Bert Stedman, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Charlie Huggins, Vice-Chair                                                                                             
Senator Kim Elton                                                                                                               
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
Senator Joe Thomas                                                                                                              
Senator Fred Dyson                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Frank  Richards, Deputy  Commissioner  Of  Highways &  Public                                                                   
Facilities,   Department   Of   Transportation   And   Public                                                                   
Facilities;  Jeff  Ottesen,  Director,  Division  of  Program                                                                   
Development,   Department   of    Transportation   &   Public                                                                   
Facilities;    Jerry   Burnett,    Director,   Division    of                                                                   
Administrative  Services, Department  of  Revenue; Ian  Fisk,                                                                   
Staff, Representative Thomas;  Mary McDowell, Vice-President,                                                                   
Pacific  Seafood   Processors  Association;   Senator  Johnny                                                                   
Ellis;  Kurt  Smith,  State  Traffic   and  Safety  Engineer,                                                                   
Department of Transportation and Public Safety                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
John Duffy,  Borough Manager,  Mat-Su District; Ron  Siebels,                                                                   
Military Order of the Purple Heart, Anchorage                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SB 236                                                                                                                          
          "An Act establishing the Alaska transportation                                                                        
          fund and relating to the fund; and providing for                                                                      
          an effective date."                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
          SB 236 was heard and HELD in Committee for further                                                                    
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
HB 321                                                                                                                          
          "An Act relating to the salmon product development                                                                    
          tax credit; providing for an effective date by                                                                        
          amending an effective date in sec. 7, ch. 57, SLA                                                                     
          2003, as amended by sec. 4, ch. 3, SLA 2006; and                                                                      
          providing for an effective date."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
          CSHB 321 (FIN) MOVED to report out of Committee                                                                       
          with the accompanying fiscal note                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SB 216                                                                                                                          
          "An Act designating the Alaska Highway and portion                                                                    
          of the Richardson Highway as the Purple Heart                                                                         
          Trail."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
          SB 216 MOVED to report out of Committee with the                                                                      
          accompanying fiscal note                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:19:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 236                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act establishing the Alaska transportation fund and                                                                    
     relating to the fund; and providing for an effective                                                                       
     date."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman commented that  the intent today was for the                                                                   
Administration  to  present  the  bill  and  to  take  public                                                                   
testimony.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
FRANK  RICHARDS, DEPUTY  COMMISSIONER  OF  HIGHWAYS &  PUBLIC                                                                   
FACILITIES,   DEPARTMENT   OF   TRANSPORTATION   AND   PUBLIC                                                                   
FACILITIES,  presented  an  overview of  SB  236  (Crossroads                                                                   
Ahead,  Why a State  Funded Transportation  Program  is Right                                                                   
for  Alaska, copy  of file).  He explained  his intention  to                                                                   
describe the State of Alaska's  Transportation System and how                                                                   
constrained  Alaska is  in addressing  its  aging assets.  He                                                                   
planned to include  Governor Palin's approach  to meeting the                                                                   
transportation needs  for the future with the  creation of an                                                                   
Alaska  Transportation Fund.  Mr. Richards  remarked that  in                                                                   
looking at the  existing infrastructure across  Alaska, there                                                                   
are concerns about safety, congestion,  and deterioration (p.                                                                   
2). Mr. Richards described that  portions of Alaska's Highway                                                                   
are  in very  poor  condition. He  estimated  the backlog  of                                                                   
pavement repairs,  that have  reached the  end of its  useful                                                                   
life,  is  2100   miles  of  the  National   Highway  System,                                                                   
including the  Glen, Parks, Richardson, Sterling,  Alaska and                                                                   
Dalton  Highways. The  pavement deterioration  cost on  these                                                                   
roads is growing at a rate of  $80 million a year. The Alaska                                                                   
Highway System  and Community  Transportation Program  are in                                                                   
addition  to   this  need.  Mr.  Richards  pointed   out  the                                                                   
challenges  with  Alaska's  bridges.  He  related  that  good                                                                   
progress has  been made towards  bridge repairs, but  the job                                                                   
is not  complete (p. 5). Mr.  Richards related that  work has                                                                   
been  completed  on the:  Washington  Creek  Bridge,  several                                                                   
Parks Highway bridges, Hicks Creek,  Kenai River at Soldotna,                                                                   
and South  Channel at  Unalaska. The  Tanana River  Bridge on                                                                   
the  Alaska Highway  and bridges  at Hyder  and Gustavus  are                                                                   
scheduled for  projects this  year, if environmental  permits                                                                   
can be obtained.  Mr. Richards  continued that ten percent of                                                                   
Alaska's  bridges  (86)  need seismic  retrofits.  This  work                                                                   
includes:                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Lengthening bearing seats                                                                                                  
     Cabling girders together                                                                                                   
     Anchoring bridges to their supports                                                                                        
     Strengthening columns and footings                                                                                         
     Replacing tall rocker bearings with shorter rubber                                                                         
     bearing pads or isolators                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards  indicated that  $20 million  has been  spent to                                                                   
date  on seismic  retrofits,  but the  process  is still  not                                                                   
complete. The  department has  completed "Phase I"  retrofit,                                                                   
but will  need to  start "Phase  II" in  the next few  years,                                                                   
funding  permitted. Mr.  Richards  reported  that across  the                                                                   
state transportation  assets are  being impacted  by changing                                                                   
climatic   conditions  (p.   6).  Those   factors  having   a                                                                   
disastrous impact on the pavement are:                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Heavier precipitation events                                                                                               
     Greater frequency of Strong Storms                                                                                         
     Warmer summers                                                                                                             
     Extended shoulder seasons both fall and spring with                                                                        
     more freeze/thaw cycles                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards  described the extensive permafrost  degradation                                                                   
associated with  shifting ground  that is impacting  Alaska's                                                                   
highways and  airports. Mr. Richards  indicated that  work is                                                                   
needed to  protect the Copper  River Highway,  estimating $50                                                                   
million,  to  shore  up  and raise  the  grade  as  a  direct                                                                   
consequence of  the river changing  course following  a major                                                                   
2006 storm event.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:26:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards pointed  out that the Alaska Marine  Highway has                                                                   
identified  a list of  deferred maintenance  that amounts  to                                                                   
$18  million in  immediate  needs  (p. 7).  This  information                                                                   
suggests the real  number is much larger, but  often, without                                                                   
access to  hidden spaces, the  actual degree of need  can not                                                                   
be  known.  He   explained  that  problems   are  often  only                                                                   
discovered  when a  vessel  goes into  the  yard, and  hidden                                                                   
areas  are opened  as part  of  planned work,  at which  time                                                                   
bigger problems are discovered.   Mr. Richards noted that the                                                                   
state  owned and  community owned  harbors are  deteriorating                                                                   
primarily due to long standing  budget declines. The needs of                                                                   
our  remaining  assets  and  those  of  the  community  owned                                                                   
facilities  continue to  be an  issue. The  state owns  forty                                                                   
nine  harbors in  twenty two  communities (Chenega,  Cordova,                                                                   
Craig,  Homer,  Juneau,  Ketchikan, King  Cove,  Kodiak,  Old                                                                   
Harbor, Pelican,  Petersburg,  Sand Point, Seldovia,  Seward,                                                                   
Sitka,  Skagway, Tatitlek,  Valdez,  Wrangell, Whittier,  and                                                                   
Yakutat).  The   Association  of  Harbor  Masters   and  Port                                                                   
Administrators  (AAHPA)  have identified  approximately  $100                                                                   
million   in  needed   harbor   repairs.  This   incorporates                                                                   
approximately four  hundred seventy six (public  and private)                                                                   
port and  harbor facilities in  the state (as of  2004), with                                                                   
two hundred forty in southeast  Alaska and two hundred thirty                                                                   
six in southwest  and western Alaska. Mr.  Richards indicated                                                                   
that Alaska  is the  largest airport  operator in the  United                                                                   
States with two hundred fifty  six airports statewide (p. 9).                                                                   
He  mentioned  that  Alaska  airports   continue  to  receive                                                                   
healthy investments from the FAA,  but many airport needs are                                                                   
unmet.  Mr.  Richards mentioned the need to  deal with safety                                                                   
items,  such  as  rutting  on  soft  runway  embankments  and                                                                   
crowding  of the  runway/airports  by homes  and  businesses.                                                                   
Additionally,  the  airport  assets  are  deteriorating  with                                                                   
cracked   asphalt   surfaces,   loss  of   gravel   surfacing                                                                   
materials,  and   aging  lighting   systems  that   are  very                                                                   
difficult to maintain.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:28:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards  illustrated  how challenged  Alaska is  to fund                                                                   
major  priority National  Highway  System  projects with  the                                                                   
current federal program (p. 10).  The current annual National                                                                   
Highway  System allocation  is  approximately  $80 million  a                                                                   
year.  Mr. Richards  showed on  the chart how  long it  would                                                                   
take to  fund the  priority projects  if it  was only  funded                                                                   
with the annual  allocation of National Highway  System funds                                                                   
(p.  10).   Mr. Richards  elaborated that  if the  department                                                                   
wanted  to  upgrade  the  Parks  Highway,  it  would  require                                                                   
allocating  all the  National  Highway System  funds for  two                                                                   
years.  The list  of funding  needs could  include dozens  of                                                                   
other equally worthy  projects, such as the  Haines or Seward                                                                   
Highways. He mentioned  that the Fairbanks list  included the                                                                   
three main  routes leading to  Fairbanks; the  Parks Highway,                                                                   
the Richardson Highway and the  Elliott Highway. Mr. Richards                                                                   
also  reminded the  committee that  these costs  are in  2008                                                                   
dollars   which  do  not   include  the   impact  of   future                                                                   
construction cost  increases. He also mentioned  that  trends                                                                   
in federal program  may result in smaller funding  levels, so                                                                   
it is  likely even  a longer  timeline is  needed to  address                                                                   
these selected set of needs.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:29:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards stressed  that the use of federal  funds is even                                                                   
more  challenging  with the  latest  Highway  Reauthorization                                                                   
bill,  named  the  Safe,  Accountable,   Flexible,  Efficient                                                                   
Transportation Equity Act (SAFETEA-LU), due to the:                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Impact of deductive earmarks                                                                                               
     More set aside programs such as safe routes to school,                                                                     
     recreational trails, and others                                                                                            
     More Restrictive regulations                                                                                               
     Loss of flexibility within the various funding                                                                             
     categories                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
General  purpose  funds  within   SAFETEA-LU,  available  for                                                                   
project accomplishment, were actually  much lower than in its                                                                   
predecessor bill TEA-21 (p. 11).  Mr. Richards explained that                                                                   
the  next chart  represents  the best  estimate  on what  the                                                                   
Federal Highway  Administration (FHWA) receipts  will be over                                                                   
the next couple  of years based on current  information, with                                                                   
plenty of  uncertainty thrown in  (p. 12). The  formula funds                                                                   
are inclusive  of both the  flexible and inflexible  types of                                                                   
apportionment.  This chart  does  not include  earmark  funds                                                                   
anticipated in the  2008 and 2009 years, from  the SAFETEA-LU                                                                   
earmarks. Mr.  Richards showed that the trust  fund shortfall                                                                   
has  been  updated  with  the  latest  information  from  the                                                                   
Federal Highway  Administration. The $50  million rescission,                                                                   
shown in  2009, is  as written  into SAFETEA-LU  legislation;                                                                   
only  an  act  of Congress  can  change  this.  Mr.  Richards                                                                   
indicated  that it is  a guess  as to  what the program  will                                                                   
change  to  and  in  what  year  it  will  change.  The  next                                                                   
reauthorization  is scheduled for  2010. Mr. Richard  assumed                                                                   
that  the 2010  levels will  be  a continuation  of the  2009                                                                   
levels, and showed  the funds will grow very  modestly before                                                                   
accounting  for trust  fund difficulties.   The shortfall  is                                                                   
about  equal   to  the  initial   funding  from   the  Alaska                                                                   
Transportation Fund (ATF), of  approximately $50 million each                                                                   
year.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:31:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards  related the huge  impact of construction  costs                                                                   
over  recent years,  causing  great consternation  among  the                                                                   
owners  of   facilities.  Asphalt   pavement  costs   are  up                                                                   
approximately  80  percent  and  earthwork costs  are  up  60                                                                   
percent. The values  shown in the chart are from  a review of                                                                   
all of  the bid tabs  over last seven  years (2000  to 2006),                                                                   
providing  a  good  representation   of  actual  inflationary                                                                   
impacts (p. 13).  Mr. Richards admitted that he  had no clear                                                                   
explanation why Alaska  costs are nearly doubled  that of the                                                                   
national average,  except anecdotal evidence;  fewer bidders,                                                                   
the high  cost of  freight to  rural Alaska,  and known  high                                                                   
workload in other construction  sectors such as military, and                                                                   
other  federal programs.  Mr.  Richards  commented that  cost                                                                   
increases  also follow the  price of  oil. He explained  that                                                                   
highway and  airport construction  is very energy  intensive,                                                                   
due  to moving  heavy  materials,  using big  equipment,  and                                                                   
items such  as asphalt  pavement which are  big users  of oil                                                                   
and fuel to produce.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:32:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards  maintained  that there are  many federal  laws,                                                                   
permits, and federal  reviews to be complied  with when using                                                                   
federal funding. Each dot shown  on the chart results in more                                                                   
process, permits,  and reviews which can add  years and great                                                                   
costs to the projects (p. 14).                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards remarked that after  twenty years of nearly flat                                                                   
line maintenance  and operations budgets, the  department has                                                                   
received  increased  funding over  the  last  few years.  The                                                                   
department  greatly  appreciates  the support  (p.  15).  Mr.                                                                   
Richards stressed though that  the department has experienced                                                                   
a significant loss of buying power  over the last twenty five                                                                   
years  of approximately  $50 million.  During this  interval,                                                                   
more  responsibilities  have been  added  to the  department,                                                                   
such  as, increasing  lane miles,  larger airports,  lighting                                                                   
systems, and new traffic lights  which increase the challenge                                                                   
of  getting  the job  done  well.  The current  General  Fund                                                                   
operating budget  covers basic needs to perform  snow and ice                                                                   
control  and  general  routine   maintenance,  but  does  not                                                                   
provide resources to perform preservation activities.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:34:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards stressed that Alaska's  Transportation System is                                                                   
truly unique and  very diverse; the largest  airport operator                                                                   
in the nation,  a ferry system that traverses  3,500 miles of                                                                   
routes along the coasts of Alaska  and Canadian Peninsula and                                                                   
a huge  coastline with the need  for safe ports  and harbors.                                                                   
He indicated that Alaskans support  these systems with a much                                                                   
higher amount  of ownership costs  than citizens in  the rest                                                                   
of the United States. This is  a reflection of Alaska's large                                                                   
geography, coupled with low population (p. 16).                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:34:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Richards acknowledged  that  Alaska  has been  extremely                                                                   
fortunate to  receive approximately $6.44 of  federal highway                                                                   
funds (FHWA)  for every  $1.00 paid in  federal taxes  at the                                                                   
fuel pump. He  mentioned that the Reauthorization  of Highway                                                                   
bill  will  occur in  2010,  which  is  expected to  be  very                                                                   
different  from previous  bills,  emphasizing greenhouse  gas                                                                   
reductions. A new national Commission  Report, just released,                                                                   
proposes a  complete makeover  of the federal  transportation                                                                   
programs, replacing  the formula approach with  a performance                                                                   
measure approach, and oversight  by a national commission (p.                                                                   
17).                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:35:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards remarked  that other states have  long had state                                                                   
and/or  local funding  mechanisms  to supplement  the use  of                                                                   
federal funds.  The Departments  of Transportation,  in other                                                                   
states,   also  have   the   largest  roads   and   highways,                                                                   
representing  on average  about 20 percent  of their  state's                                                                   
road  network.  Alaska owns  and  maintains,  for the  state,                                                                   
approximately  40 percent of  the road  network, so  this too                                                                   
subtracts  from what can  be done  on really crucial  highway                                                                   
and ferry links (p. 18).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards  continued  that in addition  to their  existing                                                                   
fund sources,  many  states also  see the need  for more  and                                                                   
different  ways to  fund construction  using  such things  as                                                                   
tolls,  public/private   partnerships,  and  user   fees  for                                                                   
vehicle miles  driven. This alternate  type of  funding would                                                                   
be  very difficult  to  institute in  Alaska  with its  small                                                                   
population base (p. 19).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:36:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards remarked that there  are strategic advantages to                                                                   
having  a state  funded program;  projects  can be  completed                                                                   
much faster often making them  less costly. Alaska would have                                                                   
relief from  federal oversight and  would not have  to follow                                                                   
many of the  federal laws. The National  Environmental Policy                                                                   
Act (NEPA) would  be avoided if there are no  federal actions                                                                   
involved,  such  as wetlands  permits,  which  would  benefit                                                                   
preventative   maintenance   and   major   maintenance   type                                                                   
projects.  Mr. Richards specifically  mentioned Section  4(f)                                                                   
of  the  1966 Transportation  Law  that  prohibits  federally                                                                   
funded  roads through  parks that  can be  very demanding  in                                                                   
Alaska (p.  20). Mr. Richards  explained that the  next chart                                                                   
represents two  different project timelines (p.  21). The top                                                                   
line shows  a federal  project and the  process that  must be                                                                   
followed. He  indicated that in  a federal project  one phase                                                                   
must be  completed before  the next  phase can begin,  adding                                                                   
approximately seven  years to  complete a project.  The lower                                                                   
portion of the  chart shows state funded projects  time line.                                                                   
Mr. Richards pointed  out that work on state  funded projects                                                                   
can  be completed  in  parallel, saving  about  two to  three                                                                   
years and the associated higher costs of construction.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:38:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Richards  indicated  in  the  next  chart  some  of  the                                                                   
successes in  completely several  projects with time  savings                                                                   
including (p. 22):                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Boniface Parkway Extension                                                                                                 
     Dowling Road East                                                                                                          
     Washington Creek Bridge on Elliott Highway                                                                                 
     Ketchikan Tongass Avenue                                                                                                   
     Pile Bay - Williamsport (Cook Inlet to Lake Iliamna)                                                                       
     Work on Glenn Highway at Merrill Field                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards presented that the  next chart was prepared from                                                                   
all funds appropriated to transportation,  including (p. 23):                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Annual capital budget                                                                                                      
     Supplemental capital budgets                                                                                               
     GO bond funds in 2003                                                                                                      
     State and local projects and                                                                                               
     Deferred maintenance and maintenance station                                                                               
     construction                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards indicated that it does not include:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Match  funds  to aviation,  highways,  National  Highway                                                                   
     Safety administration (NHTSA)  and Federal Motor Carrier                                                                   
     Safety Administration (FMCSA)                                                                                              
     Grant   Anticipation  Revenue   Vehicle (GARVEE)   bonds                                                                   
     (since they are repaid with federal funds)                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Two key points to chart are:                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     General  funding  has been  very  erratic.  This is  not                                                                   
     ideal   to    department   workload,    consultants   or                                                                   
     contractors.                                                                                                               
     The   proposed  Alaska  Transportation   Fund   (at  the                                                                   
     beginning  amount of  $50 million  per year) would  have                                                                   
     been quite meaningful in five of the past nine years.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:39:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Richards  proposed   that   the  department   can   not                                                                   
realistically continue to rely  solely on Federal programs to                                                                   
meet  Alaska's  Transportation  needs.  The  department  will                                                                   
continue  to utilize  the federal  funds  made available  for                                                                   
specific  modes but  there are  still assets  like ports  and                                                                   
harbors that do not have a dedicated  federal program to fund                                                                   
their  needs.  Federal  aviation  funding  is  somewhat  more                                                                   
robust than Alaska's highway funding  but it still not enough                                                                   
to get  the job completed.  While the 3,300'  runway standard                                                                   
is still  being  implemented, with  many communities  needing                                                                   
this improvement,  the desire for much longer  4,500' runways                                                                   
is growing  due to costs of moving  fuel by air. The  loss of                                                                   
barge service  due to water levels  in some river  systems is                                                                   
behind this need for larger airstrips.  Mr. Richards remarked                                                                   
that based  on the analysis  of needs and projected  funding,                                                                   
it is  time to institute a  funding stream that  will provide                                                                   
for Alaska's  existing and  future Transportation  needs. Mr.                                                                   
Richards elaborated that an Alaska  Transportation Fund would                                                                   
allow for a fund stream that could  provide resources for all                                                                   
state and  local modal needs  and develop a program  approach                                                                   
to  meet  these  needs.  Mr.   Richards  indicated  that  the                                                                   
department  would  follow,  AS   44.42.050,  on  the  project                                                                   
selection  process.  There  are  currently  individual  modal                                                                   
selection processes in place but  there is the need to create                                                                   
a multi-modal  process  using performance  measures to  guide                                                                   
project  selections.  Alaska's  project scoring  process  has                                                                   
been identified as  among the best in the nation.  The Denali                                                                   
Commission  looked  at  several   approaches  throughout  the                                                                   
nation  and  opted to  follow  one  nearly identical  to  the                                                                   
Department  of Transportation's  Project  Evaluation  scoring                                                                   
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:41:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards observed that individual  project appropriations                                                                   
did  not  allow  the department  to  develop  a  programmatic                                                                   
approach.  The  Alaska  Transportation  Fund will  provide  a                                                                   
consistent  fund  source.  Mr. Richards  estimated  that  the                                                                   
initial Alaska  Transportation  Funding appropriation  of one                                                                   
billion dollar  would generate approximately $50  million per                                                                   
year. The  alternative to raise  this level of  funding would                                                                   
be to raise the gas tax from 8 cents to 20 cents (p. 26).                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:42:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards  continued  that state law  already defines  how                                                                   
transportation  projects  should   be  identified  through  a                                                                   
planning  process,  and  how  they  should  be  selected  for                                                                   
funding   by  the   Executive  branch,   with  approval   and                                                                   
appropriation  by the Legislative  branch. This core  process                                                                   
will continue, with  the Alaska Transportation Fund  as a new                                                                   
funding source (p.  27). Mr. Richards remarked  that there is                                                                   
currently  a  programmatic  approach funded  by  the  federal                                                                   
highway and federal aviation funds.  This means that there is                                                                   
an  annual allocation  of  funds  that can  be  used to  fund                                                                   
various  phases of  multiple projects.  This approach  allows                                                                   
the department  to use the pool  of funding to  shift between                                                                   
projects  if delays  or cost  increases require  funds to  be                                                                   
reallocated.  Mr.  Richards  emphasized  that  this  is  more                                                                   
efficient  as   funds  are  not  parked  for   total  project                                                                   
consumption,  which  happens  when  there  is  an  individual                                                                   
appropriation. Over the last few  years there has been severe                                                                   
erosion in  the purchasing  power due to  high costs  of fuel                                                                   
and  construction. This  has  meant that  individual  project                                                                   
appropriations have  required coming back to  the legislature                                                                   
to seek more funding or reduce  the scope of the project. The                                                                   
Alaska  Transportation  Fund would  allow  the department  to                                                                   
shift funds to cover these impacts  and proceed on a timelier                                                                   
basis.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:44:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards stated that once  the Alaska Transportation Fund                                                                   
is established, the  funding for the first few  years will be                                                                   
used to (p. 30):                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Target know priority safety needs                                                                                          
     Let contracts for existing bid ready projects                                                                              
     Target preservation activities                                                                                             
     Address economic development and congestion needs                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards  believed it was  truly a tragedy  that seventy-                                                                   
five to eighty  people per year were losing  their lives from                                                                   
accidents   on    Alaska's   highway   and    road   systems.                                                                   
Transportation  needs to  address  the problems  in order  to                                                                   
save  lives, injuries,  and the  large  monetary impact  that                                                                   
accidents  cost  society.  Mr. Richards  commented  that  the                                                                   
safety numbers  shown are from  the Strategic  Highway Safety                                                                   
Plan, just completed  in Sept. 2007. He said a  goal has been                                                                   
set to  reduce fatal  accidents statewide  by one third  over                                                                   
the next ten years,  but this will take investment  and a new                                                                   
funding mechanism to accomplish.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards  remarked that preservation  is the  smart thing                                                                   
to  do. Preservation  activities  generate $4  of saving  for                                                                   
every  $1  spent,  i.e.,  delayed  costs  of  reconstruction,                                                                   
prolonged life  of the assets.  Approximately $13  million in                                                                   
Federal  Highway Funds  and $4  million  in Federal  Aviation                                                                   
Funds are  being used  for preservation  activities.  This is                                                                   
addressing some of  the needs and helping with  the operating                                                                   
budget (p. 32).                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:45:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Richards   stressed  that   congestion  relief   impacts                                                                   
everyone  from  the  economic   costs  associated  with  time                                                                   
delays.  It  is  estimated  that   savings  are  promoted  by                                                                   
addressing  congestion in  the form  of providing  additional                                                                   
lanes or alternate routes (p. 33).                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:46:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards emphasized  that transportation is  vital to the                                                                   
viability  of  our country  and  is especially  important  is                                                                   
Alaska with its  huge landmass and spread out  population. He                                                                   
saw transportation as key to promoting  opportunities for all                                                                   
Alaskan's in line with our Constitutional mandate (p. 34).                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards reported that picking  projects will require two                                                                   
levels  of decision;  how much  to give each  type of  system                                                                   
(mode) and  how to select projects  within each mode  and the                                                                   
criteria  to  be  used. The  department  will  use  statewide                                                                   
assessments  of needs  to  answer the  first  question.   For                                                                   
example, if highways backlog is  ten times greater than ports                                                                   
and  harbors  backlog,  then  dollars  would  be  apportioned                                                                   
accordingly.  Mr. Richards remarked  that a well  established                                                                   
and  nationally  recognized modal  is  in place  for  scoring                                                                   
criteria. There is  also a plan to evaluate  whether there is                                                                   
a need  to update  criteria and  include new  items for  such                                                                   
things as preventative maintenance  projects. There will be a                                                                   
public process in developing new regulations (p. 35).                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:47:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards  stated that  the department  is completing  the                                                                   
2030 Plan.   It provides a  detailed examination of  how much                                                                   
funding is needed to address transportation  needs across the                                                                   
state.  It  considered  all  the   modes  and  provides  good                                                                   
baseline data.   Mr.  Richards noted  there is a  recognition                                                                   
that more  needed to be done  on Ports and  Harbors statewide                                                                   
and the  department is  working with  the Corps of  Engineers                                                                   
and  the Denali  Commission  to  fund a  comprehensive  study                                                                   
statewide. All  updated information will be  used to allocate                                                                   
funding across  the modal needs, if provided  with additional                                                                   
funding (p. 36).                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:48:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards  reiterated that  Alaska is at  a "Fork"  in the                                                                   
road.  He believed  that  one way  leads  to likely  economic                                                                   
impacts from  congestion, deteriorating assets  and continued                                                                   
safety challenges.  The other way leads to  a brighter future                                                                   
with  more self  reliance  and determination.  He  emphasized                                                                   
that the needs for the future  are great when considering (p.                                                                   
37):                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     The   potential    for   significantly    less   federal                                                                   
     transportation funds                                                                                                       
     The anticipated decline in the amount of oil revenues                                                                      
     and the need to live within our means                                                                                      
     The urgent need to address our needs now so we do not                                                                      
     get farther behind the power curve                                                                                         
     The growth of our great state and the need to develop                                                                      
     our natural resources such as the Gas Pipeline                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:49:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  referred to  page  23, and  requested  the                                                                   
addition of  a few more bars on  the graph to see  full state                                                                   
and  federal   spending  on   Department  of   Transportation                                                                   
projects from FY 00 to FY 08.  Mr. Richards questioned if Co-                                                                   
Chair  Stedman  wanted to  see,  by  fiscal year,  the  total                                                                   
transportation  funds broken  down by  fund source.  Co-Chair                                                                   
Stedman remarked  that there were  no federal  funds included                                                                   
in  this chart  to  determine the  federal  capital match  to                                                                   
maximize  the  federal revenue  coming  into  the state.  Mr.                                                                   
Richards  indicated  he  would   do  this.  Co-Chair  Hoffman                                                                   
questioned  the   benefits  to   rural  Alaska   in  improved                                                                   
transportation if this program were implemented.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:51:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards  remarked that the  Fund would be  available for                                                                   
the legislators to appropriate  for projects across the model                                                                   
needs,  including  harbor,  ports,   airports,  roads,  local                                                                   
roads. It would  not be specific to one particular  mode. Co-                                                                   
Chair Hoffman wondered if there  would be any construction of                                                                   
new roads  in Alaska.  Mr. Richard  acknowledged that  toward                                                                   
the  economic  development  of  Alaska, if  there  are  funds                                                                   
available,   the  Department   of  Transportation   would  be                                                                   
supportive  of  building new  roads.  The  last new  road  in                                                                   
Alaska was  the Red Dog Road  in the 1980s.  Co-Chair Hoffman                                                                   
commented  that in  looking at  the  outline presentation  of                                                                   
existing  problems that  the amount generated  from  the Fund                                                                   
would barely scratch surface.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:53:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards  observed that the  initial appropriation  of $1                                                                   
billion will generate  approximately $50 million  that is not                                                                   
currently available.  It is a  start to begin  replacing lost                                                                   
federal dollars and allowing for inflation.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:54:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  questioned how aggressively the  funds will                                                                   
be  managed.  Mr.  Richards deferred  to  the  Department  of                                                                   
Revenue. Senator  Elton referred  to page  10, in the  middle                                                                   
column, titled  "Cost to Build."  He assumed that  the dollar                                                                   
figures in  the middle  column are not  actually the  cost to                                                                   
build but costs  to get to the deferred maintenance  and some                                                                   
repairs to highway  projects. Mr. Richard responded  that the                                                                   
middle  column,  "Cost  to  Build"  is  the  actual  cost  to                                                                   
construct  the project,  not the  deferred maintenance  needs                                                                   
for that section.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:55:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Elton commented that he  understood the figure is not                                                                   
the original construction  cost but the cost  of enhancements                                                                   
to facilities.  Mr. Richard agreed  that this is the  cost of                                                                   
enhancement.   Senator  Elton   wondered  if  he   understood                                                                   
correctly that  in earlier testimony  to suggest  that Alaska                                                                   
is falling  behind about $80 million  a year on  the pavement                                                                   
component   of  the  transportation   system.  Mr.   Richards                                                                   
answered  that  he  was referring  to  the  National  Highway                                                                   
System and  the deteriorating  pavement that is  currently on                                                                   
the books  and combined  with the rate  of growth  equals $80                                                                   
million a year.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:56:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman  referred  to   figures  on  page  10,  and                                                                   
commented that, with the $50 million  generated each year, it                                                                   
would still  take 50 years  to complete just  those projects.                                                                   
Mr. Richards  remarked that the  loss of the  federal highway                                                                   
funds presents  a great challenge, therefore  the $50 million                                                                   
generated  in  this fund  would  be  a great  help.  Co-Chair                                                                   
Stedman maintained  that it  would be better  to try  and get                                                                   
more  federal  money than  less  federal money.  Mr.  Richard                                                                   
explained that  federal dollars are more difficult  to obtain                                                                   
with  the rescissions  that Congress  is  enacting. The  next                                                                   
reauthorization  will probably be  to shift the  fund source,                                                                   
from a  gas tax, to something  different. There will  also be                                                                   
an  emphasis on  greenhouse  gas reductions  and  performance                                                                   
measures. Mr.  Richards has been  indicated that much  of the                                                                   
funds will be  divided for specific congestion  relief across                                                                   
the   country   which   goes   to   the   top   one   hundred                                                                   
municipalities, where Alaska will not be included.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:59:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Elton referred to page  13, and questioned if, in the                                                                   
seven  years  from  2200-2006,  the  cost  of  inflation  has                                                                   
doubled  the  costs  of  maintenance  to  the  Department  of                                                                   
Transportation.   Mr.  Richards   stated   that  this   graph                                                                   
represented  the cost  of construction  for new pavement  and                                                                   
earthwork associated with highway  and aviation. Pavement has                                                                   
risen approximately  80 percent and earthwork  has risen over                                                                   
60 percent over those six years.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:00:39 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Huggins  asked  if  the  20/30  study  included  the                                                                   
pipeline infrastructure.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:0                                                                                                                          
1:09 AM                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
JEFF  OTTESEN,  DIRECTOR, DIVISION  OF  PROGRAM  DEVELOPMENT,                                                                   
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION &  PUBLIC SAFETY, commented that                                                                   
there is  a section  in the plan  that talks about  necessary                                                                   
highway improvements  once the pipeline moves  forward but it                                                                   
is  waiting  for more  information  on  the route  and  other                                                                   
logistics of the pipeline construction.  The pipeline will be                                                                   
placed somewhere between Prudhoe  Bay and Fairbanks, so there                                                                   
has work on  this segment, but the department  is waiting for                                                                   
more  information  regarding other  routes.  Senator  Huggins                                                                   
questioned  if the plan  has any  minimum or maximum  numbers                                                                   
for meeting  the construction demands. Mr.  Ottesen responded                                                                   
that  it does  not directly,  but there  is a  new full  time                                                                   
staff  person  and  a  consultant  in  Fairbanks  working  on                                                                   
refreshing  the   numbers.  Senator  Huggins  asked   if  the                                                                   
Fairbanks  employee's  name  was   Mr.  Reeves.  Mr.  Ottesen                                                                   
replied in  the affirmative.  Senator Huggins suggested  that                                                                   
Mr. Reeves be  given more visibility and that  information be                                                                   
distributed concerning his function.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:03:39 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman requested that  Mr. Ottesen explain how this                                                                   
endowment   concept  will   integrate   with  the   Statewide                                                                   
Transportation  Improvement   Program  (STIP)   process.  Mr.                                                                   
Ottesen  replied  that  the  STIP  process  is  required  for                                                                   
federally  funded projects.  State funded  projects have  not                                                                   
been added to the STIP process  as a portrayal of intentions.                                                                   
The positive aspect  is avoiding extra steps,  time, and cost                                                                   
to prepare the STIP for those  projects. The downside is that                                                                   
the public  does not  see the  whole picture;  the public  is                                                                   
only  seeing federally  funded, not  state funded,  projects.                                                                   
Mr.  Richards believed  that  there has  been  the fear  that                                                                   
adding  state projects  to the  STIP  would federalize  them,                                                                   
adding federal  rules and  processes. Co-Chair Stedman  asked                                                                   
if the  endowment would only  then go to stateside  projects,                                                                   
not  to match  federal  funds.  Mr.  Ottesen replied  in  the                                                                   
affirmative. Mr. Ottesen believed  there would be a published                                                                   
list, apart  from the  STIP, that  would be equally  visible.                                                                   
Co-Chair Stedman commented on  a concern that the legislature                                                                   
select  and  appropriate  funding   that  the  Department  of                                                                   
Transportation  ignores.  Mr.  Ottesen  related that  in  the                                                                   
20/30 plan the department tried  to communicate the magnitude                                                                   
of  the gap  between expectations  concerning  transportation                                                                   
and the current ability is to  deliver on those expectations.                                                                   
He believed that  this plan looks honestly at  the achievable                                                                   
goals in  a wide variety  of transportation modes  throughout                                                                   
Alaska.  It is  a restrained  list but  only achievable  with                                                                   
this additional funding.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:07:38 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  remarked  that   legislators,  as  elected                                                                   
officials,    conduct    numerous   meetings    with    local                                                                   
municipalities to deal with local  capital improvement issues                                                                   
and  concerns.  During  session,  the  legislature  allocates                                                                   
money as fairly as possible. He  questioned if there would be                                                                   
a  process by  the  Department  of Transportation  to  gather                                                                   
public input.  He also requested  information on  the ranking                                                                   
procedure that would be used to fund the projects.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:08:57 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ottesen replied that are two  decisions to make; how much                                                                   
money to  each mode of transportation  and how that  money is                                                                   
allocated.  He  acknowledged there  is  a ranking  method  in                                                                   
place  using the  STIP  scoring  method. The  frustration  in                                                                   
recent years is  how little is actually getting  completed in                                                                   
the list of  projects because the dollars are  not stretching                                                                   
as far  as they once  did. Co-Chair  Stedman asked  about the                                                                   
$20 million  in bonds proposed to  be voted on by  the people                                                                   
then list of  projects generated. Co-Chair  Stedman indicated                                                                   
that he  is waiting to  see the list  from the Department  of                                                                   
Transportation on projects ranking.  He also pointed out that                                                                   
he  did not  see  any indication  of  a public  process.  Mr.                                                                   
Richards  answered the  question  of public  involvement,  by                                                                   
relating that  in Alaska Statute 44.442.050,  it defines that                                                                   
the Department  of Transportation  must follow processes  and                                                                   
put  forward  a   project  list  of  needs.   Even  with  the                                                                   
endowment, the Department of Transportation  will continue to                                                                   
seek public, legislative, community and municipality input.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:12:32 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Elton referred  to page 25, where it  states that the                                                                   
Department  of  Transportation  will  follow  AS  44.442.050.                                                                   
Senator Elton remarked that he  sees nothing in the bill that                                                                   
constrains  the   department  to   follow  this   statute  or                                                                   
constrains the  legislature to follow it as  an appropriator.                                                                   
He wondered why it was not reference in the bill.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:13:41 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Elton  read  from the  statute  AS  44.442.050  that                                                                   
states that,                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     a cost effective analysis  is not required for a project                                                                   
     that involves  the rehabilitation and maintenance  of an                                                                   
     existing transportation system  or that primarily serves                                                                   
     local transportation needs.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Elton  mentioned that in the presentation  there were                                                                   
many examples  that  the need  for this fund  were for  local                                                                   
transportation  or rehabilitation  and maintenance.  He asked                                                                   
for assurance that  the core concept is mandated  in law. Mr.                                                                   
Richards responded  that the projects that will  be developed                                                                   
through  the selection  process  will  be worked  within  the                                                                   
communities.  When going  through  the ranking  process,  the                                                                   
department  will  come  to  the  legislative  body  with  the                                                                   
capital  bill identifying  the project  and its fund  source.                                                                   
The  legislature will  determine  if the  is the  appropriate                                                                   
fund source or not.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:15:31 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Elton  appreciated Mr.  Richards response but  he was                                                                   
not sure this fund process is  the same used in selecting the                                                                   
$125  million  projects  in the  GO  Bond  proposal.  Senator                                                                   
Huggins  responded  that  if  this is  creating  a  fund,  he                                                                   
believes  the confidence  level of  public on  how this  fund                                                                   
will  be  appropriated  is  not  high.  He  would  feel  more                                                                   
comfortable if the  approach to using this fund  was based on                                                                   
a more open system.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:17:06 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JOHN DUFFY,  BOROUGH MANAGER, MAT-SU DISTRICT  (TESTIFIED VIA                                                                   
TELECONFERENCE),  supported a long  term solution  for coming                                                                   
up with  funding for the  transportation system.  He believed                                                                   
this funding  is an  initial step,  he did  not believe  this                                                                   
funding  was  sufficient to  meet  the  need of  this  state,                                                                   
especially the  Mat-Su Borough. Mr. Duffy indicated  the fund                                                                   
for the 5  percent annual allocation for capital  projects is                                                                   
equivalent to  funding one major  road project per  year. Mr.                                                                   
Duffy believed  that the funding for transportation  projects                                                                   
should be $250 to $300 million  per year. He indicated that a                                                                   
description  on the  how the  projects are  selected is  also                                                                   
necessary.  He listed  serious  problems, in  Alaska and  the                                                                   
Mat-Su  area, related  to inadequate  transportation  funding                                                                   
for  building and  repairs. He  pointed out  that many  local                                                                   
communities  and  boroughs  in   Alaska  tax  themselves  for                                                                   
additional funds  for these needs.  He suggested  a "matching                                                                   
fund"  process for  the state  to match  the funds  collected                                                                   
locally.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:21:24 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JERRY   BURNETT,   DIRECTOR,   DIVISION   OF   ADMINISTRATIVE                                                                   
SERVICES, DEPARTMENT  OF REVENUE,  responded to the  question                                                                   
on how  the money  would be  invested. He  indicated that  it                                                                   
would be  invested with  an asset  allocation similar  to the                                                                   
pension  funds which  have  historically  returned over  nine                                                                   
percent.  Over   a  period  the  annual  payout   would  grow                                                                   
approximately three to four percent a year on average.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:22:47 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  remarked that taking the previous  bill for                                                                   
$120 million,  adding that to  the Governors Capital  budget,                                                                   
for FY 09, and  looking at the supplemental for  FY 08, there                                                                   
is  $2,048,000,000 in  capital and  he wondered  how much  of                                                                   
this money would fit into this bill.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:23:52 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards questioned  if Co-Chair Stedman  was asking what                                                                   
portion  of the  funding  of  the current  FY  08  and FY  09                                                                   
capital  budgets   needs  would  be  funded   by  the  Alaska                                                                   
Transportation Fund. Co-Chair  Stedman responded that, of the                                                                   
$2  billion  on  table,  adding the  FY  09  capital  budget,                                                                   
throwing in the $120 million of  bonds, this comes to over $2                                                                   
billion. He wondered  how much of this $2 billion  would fall                                                                   
into this endowment process. Mr.  Richards responded that the                                                                   
intent of legislation would provide  funding that would cover                                                                   
a portion  of that  $2 billion need  presently out  there, if                                                                   
this bill  was in  play. This  fund source  could be  used to                                                                   
draw on for specific needs in  lieu of just the General Fund.                                                                   
Co-Chair Stedman requested that  the department return with a                                                                   
more  specific   answer  to   this  question.  Mr.   Richards                                                                   
responded that he would.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SB  236  was   heard  and  HELD  in  Committee   for  further                                                                   
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:26:47 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 321                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating  to the salmon product  development tax                                                                   
     credit; providing  for an effective date  by amending an                                                                   
     effective date  in sec. 7, ch. 57, SLA  2003, as amended                                                                   
     by sec. 4, ch. 3, SLA 2006; and providing for an                                                                           
     effective date."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
IAN  FISK,   STAFF,  REPRESENTATIVE   THOMAS,  presented   an                                                                   
overview of HB 321 for a Salmon  Development Tax Credit as an                                                                   
incentive  to  add  value  to  Alaska  salmon.  This  program                                                                   
originated with  the Joint  Legislative Salmon Industry  Task                                                                   
Force through the Legislature  in 2003. It allows a credit to                                                                   
be  claimed  on  up to  50  percent  of  qualified  equipment                                                                   
investments. The credit is applied  to the fisheries business                                                                   
tax which  uses the tax  at the first  point of  landing when                                                                   
delivering  fish  for processing.  Mr.  Fisk  noted that  the                                                                   
allowable  equipment for  the tax credit  is filet  machines,                                                                   
pin-bone  removal machines,  lasers,  and smoking  equipment.                                                                   
The equipment must  be new and used predominately  for salmon                                                                   
products. Mr.  Fisk remarked that products are  changing from                                                                   
"old-school" salmon  products, such as tall  cans, to filets,                                                                   
portions of filets,  vacuum packed, and smoked.  The existing                                                                   
program sunsets on December 31,  2008; HB 321 would extend it                                                                   
to 2011.  Mr. Fisk outlined changes  in the bill  relative to                                                                   
the existing  statute. The bill  includes a new  section that                                                                   
allows  processors   to  get  a  predetermination   from  the                                                                   
Department  of Revenue  of eligibility  for credit. There  is                                                                   
also a  change on  page 2, line  11-12, which allows  certain                                                                   
types of conveyors  to qualify for the credit.  The bill will                                                                   
not  be   retroactive   and  the  equipment   must  be   used                                                                   
specifically  for   adding  value  to  the   fish.  Mr.  Fisk                                                                   
reiterated that  the sponsor  strongly supports renewing  the                                                                   
program to help the industry.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:31:03 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson wondered  what benefit this bill  would have to                                                                   
the  Community Development  Quota (CDQ)  processors in  rural                                                                   
Alaska.  Mr. Fisk  responded that  Ocean  Duties Seafood  has                                                                   
testified  in strong support  for this  bill. This  bill will                                                                   
benefit all salmon processors.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  remarked that  there have been  discussions                                                                   
about the  conveyor belts  issue for some  of the  higher end                                                                   
value-added products.  He explained  that conveyor  belts for                                                                   
these products  have to  be improved  and are more  expensive                                                                   
therefore there  has been a rewrite  on the credit  bill. The                                                                   
clear  intent  of  the  bill is  not  to  have  the  standard                                                                   
conveyor  mechanisms within  all the  fish processing  plants                                                                   
available for credit.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:32:14 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman questioned  if it  was known  what type  of                                                                   
exposure would be  made if the conveyor belts  were included.                                                                   
Mr. Fisk  responded that the average  cost to these  units is                                                                   
$20,000; the credit plan would  make it $10,000. In 2005, the                                                                   
Department of  Revenue, which  oversees this program,  denied                                                                   
applications for eleven conveyors  that did not qualify under                                                                   
the original bill.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:33:11 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MARY  MCDOWELL, VICE-PRESIDENT,  PACIFIC  SEAFOOD  PROCESSORS                                                                   
ASSOCIATION,  explained  that  the Pacific  Processors  is  a                                                                   
trade association of seafood processors  operating in Alaska.                                                                   
Three Pacific  Seafood Processors Association  (PSPA) members                                                                   
with   locations  in   Valdez,   King  Cove,   Port   Moller,                                                                   
Dillingham,  Ketchikan,  Naknek,  Sitka, Kodiak,  and  Togiak                                                                   
have  been  using  this product  development  tax  credit  to                                                                   
expand  the goals of  the program.  This includes  developing                                                                   
and  expanding  new and  value-added  salmon  products.  This                                                                   
program has  helped Alaska's salmon  products keep  pace with                                                                   
evolving consumer  demands and  competitiveness in  the world                                                                   
market.  Ms. McDowell  referenced letters  from companies  on                                                                   
how they  have used  this tax  credit (copies  on file).  She                                                                   
remarked  that   the  legislature  structured   this  program                                                                   
tightly which has been helped  its success, but there is more                                                                   
to  be  done to  remain  competitive.  One  large  impediment                                                                   
facing seafood  processors is  the high  cost of energy.  Ms.                                                                   
McDowell  noted  that most  operators  work in  rural  Alaska                                                                   
where  the  energy costs  are  the  highest. The  tax  credit                                                                   
program provides the incentive  to encourage the companies to                                                                   
move ahead with new plans that  might otherwise be postponed.                                                                   
The fishermen, communities, and  the state benefit from these                                                                   
incentives.  Ms  McDowell  believed this  would  assure  that                                                                   
Alaska products stay completive in the world market.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:37:02 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  mentioned  HB  321 has  been  refined  and                                                                   
reworked  previously in  committee.  Senator Elton  commented                                                                   
that he was a member of the Salmon  Industry Legislative Task                                                                   
Force  five years  ago which  included harvesters,  community                                                                   
members, processors,  and legislators. This Task  Force moved                                                                   
the process throughout Alaska  to help craft the proposal for                                                                   
this  extension. Senator  Elton  remarked that  he could  not                                                                   
remember  a single  person who  opposed the  tax credit.  Co-                                                                   
Chair Stedman referred to one fiscal note for $7,000.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Elton MOVED to report  out of committee with attached                                                                   
fiscal note and individual recommendations.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HB  321   MOVED  to   report  out   of  Committee   with  the                                                                   
accompanying fiscal note and individual recommendations.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:39:29 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 216                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act designating the Alaska Highway and portion of                                                                      
     the Richardson Highway as the Purple Heart Trail."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR JOHNNY  ELLIS, bill sponsor,  spoke in support  of SB
216. This legislation,  to establish the Purple  Heart Trail,                                                                   
honors  Alaska  veterans.  He  indicated that  the  idea  was                                                                   
brought to him  by a veterans advocate, Ron  Siebels. Senator                                                                   
Ellis  pointed  out  that  there   are  100,000  active  duty                                                                   
military  personnel  who  consider  themselves  Alaskans.  He                                                                   
reported that forty  two states have designated  all or parts                                                                   
of  their interstate  highway system  as part  of the  Purple                                                                   
Heart Trail. The proposal is to  designate part of the Alaska                                                                   
Highway which  was built by the  U. S. Army during  World War                                                                   
II. Senator Ellis mentioned that  large signs would be placed                                                                   
at Delta Junction,  Fairbanks, Tok, and the  Canadian Border,                                                                   
with smaller  signs at mid-points  between. There  would also                                                                   
be three pullouts with informational  displays to educate the                                                                   
public and visitors.  Senator  Ellis emphasized that there is                                                                   
no  known  objection  to  this   proposal.  Co-Chair  Stedman                                                                   
mentioned one  fiscal note for $150,000 for  the installation                                                                   
of the signs. Senator Ellis continued  that there are letters                                                                   
of support from other veteran's organizations on file.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
KURT SMITH, STATE TRAFFIC AND  SAFETY ENGINEER, DEPARTMENT OF                                                                   
TRANSPORTATION  AND PUBLIC  SAFETY,  supported  the bill  and                                                                   
intends  to install  signs  that appropriately  honor  Purple                                                                   
Heart recipients.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
RON SIEBELS,  MILITARY ORDER OF  THE PURPLE HEART,  ANCHORAGE                                                                   
(TESTIFIED  VIA TELECONFERENCE),  supported the  SB 216.   He                                                                   
mentioned the  widespread support for the Purple  Heart Trail                                                                   
throughout the State of Alaska  including the Governor, local                                                                   
officials, the  cities along the route, and  Alaska citizens.                                                                   
He believed  it was important  for Alaska to visibly  show to                                                                   
the  world that  it  cares about  its  veterans. Mr.  Siebels                                                                   
reiterated  that the  Purple Heart  Trail  already exists  in                                                                   
forty two  states plus Guam and  he hopes Alaska will  not be                                                                   
the  last state  to  participate.  Mr. Siebels  believed  the                                                                   
Purple Heart Trail would honor  Alaska's veterans and promote                                                                   
a warm  welcome to the  visitors to the  state who  have been                                                                   
Purple Heart  recipients. He emphasized  that this is  just a                                                                   
word designation; it will not  change any road numbers or any                                                                   
road names.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:45:37 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman MOVED  to report  SB 216  out of  Committee                                                                   
with the individual  recommendations and  accompanying fiscal                                                                   
note.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SB 216 MOVED  to report out of Committee with  the individual                                                                   
recommendations and accompanying fiscal note.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 10:47 AM                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

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